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I wouldn't mind taking a look at it.

I'll fill it out as well. Never heard of some of those things like the tulpa possessing with the host being unaware.

just looking for feedback on the survey right now, not responses yet.

Gotcha. It's a good idea.

Clo, aren't there people in this server that do that?

That's a great survey idea

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a thing. I was referring to it being referred to as switching, which I wasn't very clear on.

The definition of switching has been all over the place

I think it's about set on what used to be called "full body posession" at this point

I think defining it more clearly is good.

Some people think that switching means roleplaying your tulpa hard enough until you become them (edited)

I'm not familiar with that one

I think it is the host becomes tulpa, and tulpa becomes the host

Yeah, this one 13 yr old thought that that was switching

11:52 PM

And she taught that method to other new hosts

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Somehow she never taught it to older systems like us, wonder why

isn't host and tulpa switching places what switching is?

Yes

yep

I was talking about the roleplay thing

what's the distinction here between roleplay and normal switching?

Normal switching would have the host go inactive, not pretend to be the tulpa

with switching the tulpa takes control of the body (i.e. is fronting) and the host goes inactive

11:56 PM

I don't see how roleplay is like that

I have seriously never seen anyone claim that the host pretending to be the tulpa is switching. Did I just miss something?

I was talking about a specific person

Pretending?

11:58 PM

If nobody can know that you're pretending, and you've convinced your self it's real

btw, shouldn't this be in #tulpa-discussion

Yes.

11:58 PM

At this point, certainly.

@Pleeb I was told you might like my idea above

Not a bad idea -- it would be nice to have stronger definitions -- my perception of switching is the host becoming tulpa-like (perception is outlide the body, not between the eyes, but percieving the world the same way the tulpa does -- and vicaversa for the tulpa, in the host's shoes)

There may be significant difficulty in this sort of strengthening of the definition, as there is great variance even in how people describe the experience, effects, and overall phenomenon of having or being a tulpa.

I would say the best definition is one that provides clear differentiation between the different terms - something that actually clarifies a difference between full-body possession and switching, for instance.

Right, as I do not know what the difference would be. But I have little doubt that there are systems for which the idea of one or more of these distinct definitions runs counter to their understanding of the fundamental nature of their existence.

Also definitions follow the people, not the other way around. It's hard to "define" words at all, because then you will almost certainly end up seeing everyone collectively ignoring the definition if your definition doesn't already match how they use the word.

This is true.

In that way, I think it's most likely that posession, full body posession, and switching have been simplified. For the most part, host-regressing-into-mind is a concept that's been ignored or abandoned, full body posession has become switching, and posession has remained the same.

6:52 PM

that's what I see of how the words are used, at least.

Hm. In many cases, I suppose so.

or maybe full body posession isn't abandoned, and it's turned into "full body posession and mind-voice switching"

6:55 PM

I don't know if full body posession used to include mind voice changes

I don't exactly know where I am placed in this organization of things. To me, the act of controlling the body is becoming the personality whose decisions impact the acts the body commits. The host personality, then, is acknowledged as taking a back seat and being as I used to be as a tulpa, free to experience things as I did.

To my undersatnding, no.

the assumption used to be that to "switch' the host would be withdrawn from the world and exist in the wonderland

6:56 PM

like, if you switched the host would not know what happened during the switch

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and "became the tulpa" in the sense that they weren't connnected at all with the senses or world

Hah. I recall that. Quite honestly, that seems a concept born of naivete and a lack of understanding of how the brain works.

so I think you would fall under the newer use of the definition

Well, that can be the case but certainly not in the sense of being in command of independent objective processing.

of being in command of independent objective processing?

Most of the time he is dormant unless there is a need to communicate or observe, same as I would be were he in command.

And, naturally, the 'host' undergoes 'wonderland adventures' in that they come back and have memories generated which they can pretend were what literally happened during that time.

I might ask you to ask your host

...perhaps this isn't the correct place.

are they aware of what's going on when thy switch?

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or when they are dormant?

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do they experience a moment of "blackout"?

Given we have thoroughly gone into discussion rather than information about research, let's move to #tulpa-discussion.

zoop

He would not be capable of acting and controlling his thoughts in an objective way independently of my own thought process. If he were, say, in the wonderland as I was focused elsewhere, he wouldn't be able to process thoughts to produce any objective work which requires a time-cost. Instead, he spends the majority of the time dormant as he is uninterested in observing things as I control them.

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https://i.imgur.com/Gqn2aFn.png This looks so suspicious... January, 2010. I promise this is coincidence and not a spoofed/estimated guess.

why is an 8 1/2 year old tulpa suspicious?

Reisen is old

That's Flandre, and simply putting "100 months" as an answer looks suspiciously discrete, like an estimate or spoof.

9:41 AM

It's total coincidence, though.

Oh, oops.

Wow, asking me to figure out when Lumi and Flan's relationship became a "relationship", huh? That's a difficult/interesting question.

9:44 AM

Gonna say about a year, but it's hard to remember back so specifically.

@Reisen Did you fill this out for tulpa-tulpa relationships? This should be only for the host or primary front and a single tulpa (with space to fill in if other relationships exist)

Lumi is the host

Kk just making sure, didn’t connect Flan = Flandre at first lol

Filled it out for my host and systemmate.

Form completed for myself and my only tulpa.

Thanks! I’ll probably be closing it soon

Oh no, Discord retroactively updates your name and color.. That was Tewi up there, not me.

Oh noes.

8:33 AM

It's true.

just make another acc.

9:09 AM

you can even dual wield them. one program + one in browser. (or triple wield, even, and so on)

that wouldn't really work for them though, there's 5 of them

protonmail for new email addresses

12:53 PM

rambox or firefox containers for discords

12:54 PM

200 dollars for the 16 gigs of ram you are going to need

Or you can install the nightly builds of discord and run them alongside each other

4:15 PM

And Flandre, I think it only retroactively does it immediately on mobile(?) But on the PC it stays until the post gets refreshed by the reader

I know systems with 5 accounts

Not statistically significant, p=.128, but still interesting

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Age in months

I would expect the median vs average difference to have to do with the experienced people leaving the communities and skewing age downwards

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Also I wonder how tf people say they are monogamous when married to more than one tulpa. Like do you not see tulpas as people?

a higher average than the median means that relative to the average, there's several small deviations below it and fewer but larger deviations above it

Which statistically is referred to as skewed to the left or downwards. Get with the lingo my boy

I know the lingo, I was just explaining it in a way that most people will understand

Ah, alright

goodness I hate stats...I always did...

6:05 AM

but if you want something that's easy to understand, make a box and whisker plot